00:10:27 Beth Kahn Sugarman: Hi Ian! 00:16:02 Village of Ocean Beach: It's Bunny, I'm on! 00:20:42 kevin lowry: Wagons are more important than sports. “Every” homeowner uses the wagon park. Very few homeowners use the sports. We have other sports facilities. Let’s improve and make the wagon park bigger and more manageable. 00:21:49 Marc A: Is there any other place for wagons 00:23:40 Cathy Luby: Does Village own other land that can be used to build tennis courts? 00:24:03 Ellyn: my kids really miss the pick up basketball games. it was a great way for kids to meet kids 00:24:20 kevin lowry: Basketball tourny IS outdoors 00:24:53 Ellyn: my kids were too little for a bball tourney and not nearly good enough players 00:26:38 Ellyn: what is the system for borrowing and returning the 'new little red wagons'? Honesty? lol 00:26:51 brancheman: i think wagon park should be for OB residents only 00:27:20 Cathy Luby: How many OB residents have tennis permits? 00:28:16 beth’s iPhone (2): Will there be bike racks as well 00:28:18 Ellyn: is the wagon park going to interfere with the ferry boarding line if the wagon ark is going to be larger? 00:28:30 Chris Brahe: Getting rid of one of the tennis courts would be a HUGE mistake. I agree wagons are needed but if we simply got rid of the monster wagons and went to small red wagons only it would be a much much more functional space. Yes i know those red wagons may not fit all your stuff so worse case scenario you make two trips or hire one of the kids who meet every boat offering up wagoning services. But eliminating a court will kill many of the plans OB rec has for the new space, not to mention cause issues for OBYG who uses those courts daily as part of their curriculum. Not to mention the avid tennis players who use those courts. 00:28:43 Todd's iPhone (2): How much sq ft is needed for each large plastic wagon? 00:29:22 gs: the only way purchasing wagons will work without loosing them is if we operate it the same as Citi bike 00:29:29 kevin lowry: I like the LOANER wagon idea. Who will administer it and monitor returns? 00:29:41 Farrish: We rather keep tennis/pickleball courts. Not sure why a wagon park is necessary. If you have a ton of stuff you would already have a wagon to get it onto the ferry and we can keep wagons at our homes. The wagon park also looks terrible. What a mess. Or Why can't we have part of the ferry freight area to keep the rusty crusty wagons? Is there room? Also if both can be accomplished to make everyone happy only ocean beach residents should have access and an assigned spot perhaps. 00:29:50 Larry’s iPad: Constantine Koralis had drawn up plans for the wagon Park. Can you tell us what the plans are. 00:31:08 Ellyn: agree with Shoshanna 00:31:30 Larry’s iPad: Totally agree with Shoshana 00:32:31 Josh Bloom: Also agree with Shoshanna. 10 minutes after the first ferry comes in they’ll be gone. About 0% will be returned. 00:32:50 Ellyn: EXACTLY! 00:32:57 brancheman: i agree with Shoshanna. we use our wagon for many purposes all week long - beach, marketing errands, toting pets and children 00:33:15 Cathy Luby: Agree with Shoshanna 00:33:28 Jessica A. Santos: Agreed with shoshanna 00:34:30 Chris Brahe: Agree that would be an issue so instead of leaving unlocked red wagons that the village buys there have the rule be that homeowners can ONLY lock up their own red wagon there. Needs to have a VOB sticker on it you get by registering it with the village 00:34:35 gs: Is there any reason we cant put a 2nd story ie top for tennis etc and bottom for wagons 00:35:05 kevin lowry: As long as the ferry is running, we will need a wagon master. There will also be lines to pick up wagons at every ferry. AND we need to figure out how to limit loaners to home owners and renters. NOT the day trippers. 00:35:08 tonypemberton: I think the wagon from the village. I can see someone taking it for the summer and not returning it until they leave. 00:35:09 Larry’s iPad: People don’t follow the rules we have now, let alone having to return The wagons 00:36:42 Stephanie Cassell: Respectfully disagree about legislating wagon size. We all have different needs. Uniform village mandated wagons are not filling individual needs. 00:39:38 Jonathan Jossen: Where are Joel’s and Constantine’s plans Why cannot we create a useable park Why are people allowed to have more than 1 wagon 00:39:56 andrea.nimberger: Just like in a parking garage different size vehicles cost different monthly prices. Everyone should need a permit and only one and they pay by size. 00:40:57 brancheman: We commute 1x or 2x per week and need our wagon at the ferry - OB runs on our wagons 00:40:57 Ellyn: Ian, You asked for a vote so here is mine. II like the idea of 2 tennis courts/pickleball/basketball courts (multi , purpose) and I don't play any of those sports. t is necessary for OBYG and people who want to play. I am not sure the wagon park is really necessary since everyone brings over stuff back and forth in some wagon type. My wagon stays at my house for use of freight and grocery shopping at Seaview. We also have a village populated with renters and homeowners who don't listen to the existing rules. How is this all enforced? 00:41:03 LK: how about that space between flair house cleggs? 00:42:46 beth’s iPhone (2): What if permits were issued for assigned rows and if you put the wagon in wrong row it is removed. Agree with Dawn that we limit number of permits 00:43:03 kevin lowry: Forget the honor system. Think about all the KIDS that come day tripping. If we have village loaners we will need full time employees. Great idea, but it aint happening. 00:43:49 Marcy: I agree 00:44:02 Josh Bloom: Agree with Dawn. Will never work 00:44:36 kevin lowry: Will we POLICE the sticker system? 00:44:39 gs: The honor system will never work! So many dont follow the rules now! 00:45:02 gs: The sticker system didn't work when we had it 00:45:06 brancheman: Bad neighbor??? we are not A 00:45:50 brancheman: allowed to use any of Seaview’s assets - wagon park, tennis, kiddie pool etc 00:46:52 Todd Flamenbaum: Maybe the locks are issued by the VOB instead of a sticker ? 00:46:56 Audrey Sherrick: Might a permit system where each permit holder had a numbered spot/hook work? That way each permit holder would have to return their wagon to the proper spot rather than just leaving them haphazardly at the front of the wagon park. 00:47:35 Stephanie Cassell: Why have a seasonal cutoff? Additionally - part of the problem with the wagon park is the physical structure that are used to lock them. They should be more user friendly to the size and construction of the wagon - to lock and store them more efficiently 00:47:35 Jessica A. Santos: I like that idea Audrey S 00:48:14 Dawn Hargraves: Kevin L the goal would be to accommodate as many any different groups/interests as possible - not to prioritize wagons over sports or vice versa 00:48:30 kevin lowry: Understood 00:49:03 Stephanie Cassell: And as taxpayers in a car free island getting rid of a wagon park is completely unrealistic 00:49:04 kevin lowry: How about 2 permit fees; one for large and one for small 00:49:13 brancheman: thank you Dawn, we agree 00:49:33 Dawn Hargraves: Marc A - I do not believe there is any other land available for wagons 00:51:52 Audrey Sherrick: The wagon park does not need to be big enough to accommodate one wagon per household. Many homeowners, like us, keep their wagons at their house and don't ever utilize the wagon park 00:52:56 Dawn Hargraves: Kevin Lowry - yes we CAN charge different amounts for different wagons 00:54:14 Dawn Hargraves: Thank you Audry - thank you and yes some people do keep their wagons at their homes 00:55:12 brancheman: Thank you Maria Now that the ferry is charging additional $16.00 additional for the portable shopping wagons the wagon park is more important than ever. 00:56:03 Dawn Hargraves: Stephanie C - I agree - and believe we can have both sports and wagon park 00:56:04 Larry’s iPad: Totally agree, Josh 00:59:59 Dawn Hargraves: Stephanie - we are considering (and will continue to be open and review) all ideas as to the manner in which we lock the wagons 01:00:40 Ellyn: in 30n years, I have never used the wagon park. I bring over my stuff in a grocery wagon. 01:01:00 Dawn Hargraves: Chris Brahe - agree!!! 01:01:43 beth’s iPhone (2): Totally disagree with those that want to get rid of wagon park. Been a resident for 30 years and we use the wagon park every trip. 01:02:47 Larry’s iPad: I also use the wagon park for every trip 01:03:03 Dawn Hargraves: Beth - our goal is to accommodate as many interests as possible 01:03:19 Debbie (2): I’ve been a resident for over 20 years and have never used the wagon park. We either use a collapsable wagon or an upright cart to bring our items to our home. If we have a large delivery, we use our large flat wagon which we keep at the house. 01:04:10 brancheman: We can add to the wagon park and keep the tennis courts 01:05:21 Cathy Luby: Agree with Chris. Keep tennis courts and figure out wagon park. Deny Seaview, Corneille, Robins Rest access to wagon park. 01:06:01 Dawn Hargraves: Agreed - we can do both. It’s an AND not an OR 01:07:03 Marco Arment: Cathy: I don’t believe in being a bad neighbor to Corneille and RR. They depend on our ferry terminal and have the longest journeys with their luggage. It’s not many houses — we can accommodate them. 01:07:33 Marc A Zoom Admin: Seaview has enough space to have the wagons horizontally in their park. 01:07:42 Maria Silsdorf: I believe the wheelbarrows should be banned. They take up too much space and are not owned by Ocean Beachers. 01:08:10 iPhone (6)Roy Lapidus: Has anyone ever looked into moving the contractors offices to another location and claiming back that space for public use including additional wagon park area? 01:08:19 Jen Kightlinger iPhone (2): Agree w/this view on wheelbarrows. 01:08:29 Dawn Hargraves: Todd F - VOB locks is a idea for us to consider 01:11:03 Marc A Zoom Admin: There was an overflow wagon park where one of the contractor offices is now, not sure which, I don't think it was Island Contracting, they have been there a long time. 01:14:55 Dawn Hargraves: Correct - that space is privately owned and rented 01:17:01 susan sajiun-fitzharris: great point hard courts are not preferable for tennis…will cause injury 01:17:01 ginaragusa: One last thought….I’m not in favor of increasing fees for homeowners. 01:18:28 Dawn Hargraves: Is there anyone I didn’t respond to? 01:18:40 susan sajiun-fitzharris: should be rule 1 wagon per family! 01:19:03 Marc and Jane: I agree with Gina. 01:19:24 Audrey Sherrick: Agree with Phil Potter 01:21:11 Ellyn: Dawn, Did the Village consider sending an email to 600 homeowners to see who/how many are interested in having permits for their wagons? Some of us never use it. Wouldn't it be helpful for the Village to know that? 01:23:37 Dawn Hargraves: Ellyn - we did not we have been holding meetings to get opinion. I’m not opposed to sending an email out - let me see if I can get that going 01:24:23 Ellyn: Thank Dawn as there are so many diff opinions here., from never use to always to sometimes. Maybe a survey would be helpful. 01:24:44 Dawn Hargraves: Agreed 01:24:47 Maria: In terms of a needs analysis/homeowner survey: There's an easy way to do a google form that you could email to all the homeowners and gather the data you need in a more systematic way allowing you to analyze data to determine your needs. If anyone wants to know how or wants help, I am happy to share a call to discuss. 01:24:50 katkleen creighton: Many more people especially year round residents use the wagon park than the tennis court. Shouldn’t a survey a more widely available survey of residents be conducted? This meeting is very focused on the courts and the wagon park - what is the bigger picture of land use for downtown? 01:25:08 LK: who owns the property between flair & clegg? 01:26:04 Beth Berns: I like the idea of a 2 level space. 01:26:41 Debbie (2): I think a vote to determine how many of us actually use the wagon park is an idea. If those that use it need to file a permit for a wagon spot and pay a small fee, you may see you will have less wagons all together and space may be a non issue. 01:27:03 Dawn Hargraves: Maria it’s the monkey survey right? 01:27:18 Maria: I have used google forms but survey monkey works too. 01:28:22 Marc and Jane: I like the idea of buying a reserved wagon spot for the season. It could reduce the number of wagons, keep the area better organized and wagon owners would always know where their wagon is. I assume a multi-tier wagon cubby would not work. 01:28:29 katkleen creighton: I think a survey is a good idea. I’m available if to discuss if anyone is interested in pursuing the idea. 01:29:10 Dawn Hargraves: Agree Marc and Jane 01:29:30 Jen Kightlinger iPhone (2): That was what I was getting at with my comments. A survey to all homeowners. This will let you know how more people utilize or don’t utilize the wagon park. 01:29:35 Maria: Another survey app is Qualtrics. Any of them are good 01:29:56 Dawn Hargraves: Kathleen I’m going to look into getting g that done 01:30:07 Marc and Jane: Great meeting. Thanks for having it. 01:30:14 Marco Arment: I’ll verify — I think the village website platform (Squarespace) already has survey capabilities 01:31:15 katkleen creighton: Thank you, Dawn. I’m available to help. 01:31:23 Mazel: Great meeting 01:31:27 Dawn Hargraves: Thank you ALL please reach out to us with any further ideas, comments, etc! 01:32:37 Stephanie Cassell: My last comment(s) Thank you for this meeting. Incredibly civil and productive. Greatly relieved for 2 tennis court’s remaining a reality. Re : wagons: we have a large wagon and use the wagon park all the time. It’s a mess but we try to be respectful citizens and hang it vertically. There is no need to have a cutoff date for the wagon park. People are out there for longer seasons. Wagon size should not be legislated. But a reasonable system to hang/store wagons is a necessity and permits for wagons should absolutely be reinstated.